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Post by pilgrim17 on Mar 18, 2018 18:31:01 GMT 1
Today I started to "deconstruct" the old wheelhouse, started off by deciding to empty the contents into some giant polythene bags I had from Colin, there were traces hanging from every hook & screw, papers & fishing marks written down on loads of sheets of paper (why do I have marks from 30 miles away when we can only go 5m out & 5m back??). A toolbox that weighs more than my coffin will, 3 plastic boxes full of teabags, coffee, sugar, hot dog sausages, burgers, beans, sauces of every type, Oxo's of all sorts, dustpans & brushes, Brillo pads, washing up liquid of various colours, plastic plates & cups, spoons knives forks, tin openers etc etc etc, a Tesco bag full of tea towels (new) god knows where they came from & a host of other items. Lifejackets in a broken plastic box, 2 cylinders of flares (Coastal & Inshore) 2 First Aid kits, a wall clock, a spirit stove & frying pans, griddle, kettles (one electric one whistler), travel rods in tubes, 5 litre containers of engine oil, gearbox oil, Auto transmission fluid, antifreeze, water containers, bottles of methylated spirit for the stove, self inflating seat squabs, a wheelbarrow innertube used as a bum protector. The list is endless, & methinks that a lot of it isn't going back inside, the tins of hot dog sausages can be eaten before we start doing trips again (we can eat them up the workshop & the burgers) sauces will go down to brown or red, marks sheets & notes can go in the bin, oils, fluids, can be stowed ashore, the toolbox can be made redundant (in favour of the VHF like everybody else) the electric kettle can be stowed instead of taking up space, cushions etc can go outside & people can either sit on them wet or bring their own plastic bag to put them in. Food will be more Spartan & bought on the day as opposed to the "a la carte" you have been used to, & with more space inside the flares can be laid horizontal instead of rattling about when somebody passes close by. So before the actual "deconstruction" can take place, I still have a lot of disposal to do before I start demolition If you want to buy somebody you don't like a present, then buy them a boat, & if you want to buy somebody you REALLY don't like a present then buy them an old boat, & if its somebody you HATE then buy them a converted lifeboat with a rotten wheelhouse!!!!!!
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Post by pilgrim17 on Mar 16, 2018 19:48:04 GMT 1
Did a "dry run" today, assembled the panels of the new wheelhouse to make sure everything fits, & luckily it all does, I had a couple of minor adjustments to make, but mostly it was trying to get it to stand level on the workshop floor Because Belle's deck is like the Brecon Beacons with holes & lumps everywhere & I have to make sure that each hole & lump of the deck, has a corresponding hole or lump to accommodate it, the only part that is level is the roof. Richie suggested that we assemble it upside down but I vetoed that! The plan was to use 2 sheets of "manufactured" plywood that Colin donated (used inside insulated lorry backs), but we found out that we couldn't salvage sufficient ply from 2 sheets, so he had to "donate" 2 more sheets now I have to make 2 more joists to get the roof panels to fit. I am glad I found this out during the dry run, rather than when I am sat on the roof down the marina. The amendments & the extra joists will mean that I have to do more painting, to make sure everything gets an equal covering, & its a lengthy process, 2 coats of Barrantine (2 days) 2 coats of primer (2 days) 2 coats of undercoat 2 days so even the smallest area of new wood means 6 days to get it covered, & I HATE painting! So I will make the extra joists & give them a coat of Barrantine, then cut the roof panels & leave the rest of the painting to Richie on Monday Without Richie & Steve I would never have managed this dry run, with the panels being heavy, & of an arkward shape it took us all our time to get the packing right, so thank you lads for your help.
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Post by pilgrim17 on Mar 14, 2018 21:08:36 GMT 1
I was getting thoroughly p****d off on my own in the workshop PAINTING! I HATE painting with a passion especially having to put 2 coats of everything on it when its for a boat. Luckily Richie offered to help out with it, & for the last 3 days he has painted, & I have been working on the roof, cutting & machining the joists, cutting the composite boards for the roof covering. Tomorrow he has to attend a funeral & has given me instructions on which panels need a 2nd undercoat etc I will slap some paint on them ready for our dress rehearsal on Friday, when we are going to assemble the wheelhouse in the workshop, & from the result cut the roof panels accordingly because NOTHING on a boat is horizontal or vertical, & nothing is ever square so I will make the roof to fit the assembled panels & then force them to take the same shape on the boat! Trevor seems to think that because we have a new wheelhouse we will need to have another stability test before it is used again? I don't think that is necessary as it is "like for like" with the old wheelhouse (in fact slightly smaller, & far more solid). The boat is now more seaworthy & stable than it has ever been, it has proper ballast (stowed correctly & in the right places), it has handrails to prevent people falling in, it has anchors & spare anchors ready rigged to deploy at a moments notice, it has a radar reflector (that works), LED anchor lights & running lights that can now be seen from more than 20 yards away, a windlass to retrieve the anchor, etc, etc, etc. When it was last inspected it resembled a whaling skiff off the "Pequod" that hunted Moby Dick but I am no Capt Ahab & I look forward to Mumbles Belle being inspected, if only to shove the words back down the throats of the "Doubting Thomas's" who were attempting to write it off as unseaworthy when a hydraulic pipe split? & an oil pipe from the engine to the oil pressure gauge came adrift & caused it to overheat? Of course "Oystercat" NEVER develops any mechanical problems does it? Anyway my priority now is to get the old wheelhouse off, & the new wheelhouse on & secured, then they can get Nelson himself down to give it the once over if they want.
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Post by pilgrim17 on Mar 11, 2018 19:10:02 GMT 1
I have had a gutsfull of painting these panels, 3 coats of Barrentine & 2 coats of primer, & they still need 2 coats of undercoat & 2 coats of gloss So I have asked Richie to give me a hand with the painting tomorrow, so & I can get on with making the roof trusses & cutting the roofing sheets. I have decided to use joist hangers to support the roof, just in case the structure isn't square (nothing on Belle is square or upright), I will leave the trusses over length so I can cut them back to size, & the joist hangers will take out any errors. I haven't decided what sort of fiddle rail I will have on the roof, that depends on how much timber I have left out of the pile we bought. If anybody is feeling energetic then the trunking carrying the wiring inside the old wheelhouse needs to be taken down ready to be re-used on the new one (a felt tip pen marking what came from where would be a good idea) also some of the frames from around the windows can be PARTIALLY removed (not all or we will have to replace broken glass ) most of the screws into the old wheelhouse have rusted away so it shouldn't be too big a job taking them out. Any part of this task will be a big help as I need a "blank canvas" to assemble the new one because some of the dimensions are different. The new wheelhouse is narrower by 6" to give more room to walk down the starboard side, the roof will only be overhanging by 50mm all round to allow room to cast & to site rod holders to do away with the annoyance of rods laying on the seats just waiting to be stepped on as I make my way to the anchor Don't be shy if you feel you want to do a bit there is no door on the boat so you can get in just pull the plastic away. Be careful because there is mains electricity to the switchbox & plugs when the cable from the boat is plugged into the mains supply on the pontoon. The isolators will prevent any low (12v) voltage from being "live" so taking the trunking down will not be a problem, any problems then ring me on 07814528082.
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Post by pilgrim17 on Mar 10, 2018 12:33:05 GMT 1
It's Saturday & I am taking a day off, I have been to buy a tool to remove my oil sump drain plug so when its dry I will change the oil & filter in my banger (named Carlos), the "vagueness" of the gears was found to be from excess slack in the clutch cable, that was adjusted, & now I can decide in which direction I want to go, & not Carlos I asked on Facebook for volunteers to help me move the panels around in the workshop while I am painting them, you can imagine how much a 6ft x 6ft panel made from 1" thick larch weighs & moving & dragging them around on my own I have tended to go for the "easy option" panels, & now I don't know which have had 2 coats of primer & which have had 1 No doubt just looking at them will tell me, but if I had help I could give them all a coat in turn, rather than give some a second coat whilst waiting for help to turn others over. Trevor & Nigel have volunteered to help & I will be contacting them as & when, if anybody else wants to help that would be great especially in the transferring of the panels from car park to boat, & removing the old wheelhouse from boat to car park. I would also like to take the floor & seat duckboards up to the workshop for a coat of "Creocoat" for the floor, & wood preserver for the seat duckboards, as I am concerned that any spillage into the marina would be a real problem. So all in all there is an opportunity for people to become involved in what is really a major club project. Firstly however I need help to turn the panels over when they have been painted, to avoid boredom I will provide you with a brush & paint to use between turning duties so you don't get bored, & I will protect you from the vicious "Guard Dogs" we have patrolling the workshop area (when they are awake)
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Post by pilgrim17 on Mar 7, 2018 21:11:31 GMT 1
I have managed to do a bit more on the wheelhouse, basically its a matter of keeping on putting coats of wood preserver onto it until it stops soaking it in, then its all about primer, undercoat, & gloss until its "fartproof" The roof will be a little problematical, because made to fit a wheelhouse that has yet to be fitted is like asking for a leap of faith, what I will do is leave the main roof supports & the sheets of roofing material oversize, then cut it to fit once the wheelhouse walls have been erected & screwed/bolted down. I have now bought myself a "Banger" (literally) so that I can travel back & forward from home to workshop/boat without having to suit up like an astronaut to avoid the rain or ice, or having to rely on Colin to give me lifts to & from home, & to & from the boat to take measurements, I am sure he will be glad when I have finished & leave him in peace. He will also be glad because his electricity bill for this quarter was over twice what it normally is, thanks to me using the saws, & planer thicknesser, sanders, drill etc, so I will be asking the committee to pay the excess electricity charges. He said he wont charge me for his "guard dog service" "Big Dog & Little Dog" are like Sooty & Sweep & are only expert in the art of scrounging, when we are having tea & toast. Hopefully by tomorrow the wood preserver will have dried in & I can put a coat of primer on, then follow that with undercoat, I might leave the gloss painting until after it is fitted on the boat because there are bound to be bumps & scrapes as it fitted, & the undercoat wont be as critical to damage as the gloss will. My first job tomorrow will be to go to Normag & get a gallon of oil & an oil filter for my banger, when I dipped the oil & smelled it, it smelled like chip fat, so methinks it has not had a lot of TLC, plus gear changing is a bit of a lottery, & when I find a gear that is somewhere near what I want I leave it I have had a few people behind me who I am sure are wondering what the hell I am doing Hopefully by the time the locks reopen Belle will be ready to face the new season with a new modified wheelhouse, with rod holders so I don't have to climb over rods to get to the anchor. Whether there will be anything to catch out there I don't know, but at least we will be fit & ready to find out
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Post by pilgrim17 on Mar 3, 2018 18:14:23 GMT 1
Took a run down to check the boat today now that the snow & ice have gone, all seemed well, engine started no problem, batteries seem to be holding charge ok, very little water in the bilges (I was expecting there to be ice in them but it was clear) yet there was ice in the kettle Moorings were fine no trouble with the ropes etc, although there was a large padded bra on the pontoon? God knows who has been stripping off on the pontoon in this weather? All was well inside the wheelhouse, the polythene stapled over the hole where the door used to be seemed to be keeping the weather out, hopefully the weather will improve to keep things that way. Has anybody seen on Facebook & YouTube the carnage in Holyhead Marina, over 80 boats have been lost, several big boats too, looking at the video it seems that that catamarans & Mitchell type hulls fared better than others. It will be interesting to see how smoothly the insurers pay out, it seemed very exposed in the marina & I would have thought there would be better shelter than it has??? Tomorrow hopefully will see me continuing with the new wheelhouse, things were going well & I was "On a roll" but now I will have to go back & try to remember what I was doing (bloody old age lol). I noticed that the windscreen has a toughened glass emblem in the corner & I want 6" cutting off the end to fit the new wheelhouse, does anybody know of a GOOD glazier who will cut it for us, as I hate to think what a piece of 5' x 2' sheet of toughened glass would cost tor replace Checking the inside to see how difficult a job it will be to transfer the the old trunking & beading revealed that it should be more straightforward than I thought. most of the cable trunking is held on by self tappers, & the window beading is held on by screws that have rusted away inside the fabric of the wheelhouse & most pieces of beading can be removed by simply pulling at them because the holding screws have rusted away (a break ) I will still be looking for volunteers to do some painting, particularly the floor & seat duckboards which will need to be taken up to the car park to be done, to avoid dripping preservative into the water, let me know if you are prepared to give me a hand, Vic
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Post by pilgrim17 on Mar 2, 2018 17:15:43 GMT 1
This weather is playing hell with my wheelhouse building schedule, & my social calendar, the cancellation of last nights club night deprived me of my much loved few midweek pints, & Trevor's "Finger Buffet" Wheelhouse wise its too cold & too dangerous to ride the scooter from Gendros to Cilonnen & back, my "rubber footprint" is probably the same as that of a 5yr olds foot (& they are always falling down) The door is up the workshop & needs fitting to the rear panel (at its new height to stop Richie banging his head every time he comes aboard I have been trying to pick up a rotary ventilator to put in the roof of the new wheelhouse, the "Offshore" on the next berth has one fitted & the windows are never misted up & nothing in the cabin seems rusted. Belle on the other hand is like a Turkish bath some mornings, & rod eyes, reels, or anything not brass or stainless rusts in no time. The problem is that any water that falls has to go into the bilge first before being pumped out, & the bilge is permanently wet, & with the engine box being partly in the wheelhouse when the engine gets warm there is a lot of condensation generated, similarly when the sun warms the deck it generates condensation in the wheelhouse. Currently I have a couple of 99p vents from B&M fitted, & although they do help they don't solve the problem. To buy a rotary ventilator new will cost about £70 & even scrapyards are charging £35-£40 for them, however if they work then it will be worth it, so I have posted on WSF asking boat owners what their views are, & from that I can make a recommendation to the committee if the answers are positive.
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Post by pilgrim17 on Feb 27, 2018 22:19:26 GMT 1
With the door off Belle I wanted to take it away for fitting to the new frame, plus I wanted to take the electronics & my accumulated tackle off the boat for safe keeping, & Colin who owns the workshop obliged with his pick up & we took some heavy duty plastic with us & stapled it over the doorway to keep the worst of any bad weather away. It is so cold that the Barrentine applied to the bare wood is taking a long time to penetrate the wood, & its no good applying primer until the wood treatment is complete, I have now treated 3 of the 4 panels giving then 2 coats each, & now it is just the last one to be sanded & treated, but with the weather forecast as it is I wont be beating a path from Gendros to Cilonnen for a few more days yet . I would like to give the duckboards on the deck another coat of Creocoat, & the duckboards on the seats another coat of Timbercare, but to do that I really need to take them up to the car park so that no drips get into the marina, I will be looking for a volunteer or two to help with that chore as they are oak & take a bit of controlling on the trolley. Hopefully the fitting of the new wheelhouse should coincide with the reopening of the Tawe Lock (not that there will be much to catch) but it will be nice to see it used as a boat again & not a flowerpot. If any feels they want to use a roller on the new wheelhouse they are welcome because the 4 new panels will have 2 coats Barrentine, 1 coat of wood primer, 2 white undercoats, & at least 1 coat of white gloss, plus the roof will have to be fibre glassed over, so there is no shortage of "volunteer friendly" jobs to be done, you will be under cover so no need to cry "inclement weather" I will even light the wood burner in the workshop for you if you get cold. Be warned that if you bring sandwiches "Big Dog" & "Little Dog" can smell them from 100 metres, & I can smell a boiling kettle from the same distance. I wonder if there will be a club night this week or will it be closed because of snow?
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Post by pilgrim17 on Feb 25, 2018 20:25:42 GMT 1
Took the door of today (along with several large lumps of rotten plywood) the bolts holding the door on are corroded in the metal frame an when I put the screwdriver between plywood & frame to separate them several lumps of ply came with it, not to worry its scrap anyway. I need to take the door to Cilonnen now to fit it to the new panel, I will cover the hole with plastic sheets & remove the electronics at the same time for safety. The engine is starting no problem nowadays & the alternator is charging the batteries at a healthy rate now (thanks to Trevor), it is a shame that there is very little about to catch but possibly a good omen for me with fishing being quiet as I do the new wheelhouse, all I need to do now is make a new roof for it (still working on the design of it) I may get Dave Hoskins to turn his design skills on it for me, I am sure he can come up with something a "bit different" to the norm for me I will be looking for a volunteer to take the door to the workshop then run me back to the marina to seal off the door opening. my number is 07814528082 if you want to volunteer to drive the bus.
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Post by pilgrim17 on Feb 24, 2018 20:14:45 GMT 1
Going to take a couple of days break, the daily 30km journey through the lanes & moorlands, along with the continual cold is getting on my nerves, & not being "up to speed" anymore doesn't help either Having to "measure twice cut once" is bad enough but having to "think what you are going to do next" is adding to my woes The actual 4 sections of the wheelhouse walls are now finished & have been coated in wood preserver prior to being primed & painted, I now have to remove the door & fit it to the new frame to get an accurate fit. I still need to finalise what the roof will be like, I have a selection of materials available to make it from & I have decided that a simple domed roof (like the old gypsy caravan is the best suited to me & the boat). I have some laminated plastic panels from an old insulated container which are ideal for the job if I can get them to curve enough without cracking or delaminating, but that will be after I have finished the painting of the panels. The forecast is for some REALLY nasty weather next week, so I wont be pushing "Hercules2" through the lanes in ice & snow conditions (a) because its too bloody dangerous (b) because motorcyclists are invisible to motor car drivers (especially women & older men) I meet "Mr & Mrs Twat" at least once every day, & I need to keep my eyes in my head, & in my arse, to avoid being flattened, I hate to think how many bootmarks there are in some of the cars in the Killay/Dunvant/Three Crosses areas because when they narrowly miss me I put my boot into their door panel to remind them that I have as much right on the road as they do, & that I have to pay road tax, insurance, & MOT the same as them so I have every right to be seen & not flattened by their Chelsea tractor! I intend to paint the side walls of the new wheelhouse white, & the top of the roof orange (because its easily seen from the air if we ever get into trouble), if anybody has any outstanding reason for objecting to that, speak now or forever hold your peace. Tomorrow I will take the door off (well leave a couple of bolts in it so it can still be locked) but undo most so it can be removed when I get some transport to take it to the workshop. Plus the engine always enjoys a run to charge the batteries while I do my thing aboard.
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Post by pilgrim17 on Feb 23, 2018 20:08:27 GMT 1
"All bar the shouting" the new wheelhouse is almost finished, the door needs to be removed & fitted properly in the new frame, & the glass in the windscreen is going to have to be cut because I have reduced the width of the wheelhouse by 6" to make more room to move from bow to stern on the starboard side, seeing as many of us are "bodily challenged", that extra 6" should make movement easier. I am now removing the panels one by one for painting before they are transported down to the boat. Today I removed the front panel & sanded it down, & gave it a coat of "Barrentine" (very similar to Cuprinol Clear but much cheaper) I will give all the panels 2 coats of Barrentine then a primer, then 2 undercoats, then a coat of gloss, & that should make it waterproof for a couple of years. I will install some rod holders to do away with the annoying practice of anglers laying their rods down on the seats, when I have to go back & forward from the stern to the bow to sort the anchor etc I have to run the gauntlet of rods lying on the seat I use to walk on (hence the widening of the walkway) how nobody has experienced a boot on their rod I don't know, but this should solve the spare rod storage problem! It seems that the whiting have headed for the Atlantic Ocean by now, & the cod have lost their satnav readings for Swansea Bay, so I might as well get this wheelhouse finished & fitted before the end of the lock closures, it will be easier to fit it at the berth than out of the water, the panels are heavy enough without having to lift them onto scaffolding, & there is an electrical supply on the berth, so any & all power tools will make life much easier. I have attached a photo of the front panel getting its first coat of Barrentine which will sink in overnight, & get a second coat tomorrow.
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Post by pilgrim17 on Feb 17, 2018 19:05:48 GMT 1
Moving forward with the new wheelhouse now, I seem to be getting back into the swing of work & remembering what I did as second nature 12yrs ago again. I did have a problem with the measurements as nothing seemed to add up, & measuring didn't help, until I sat in the bow wondering where the hell the problem was, & I finally saw that the milk crate we use to come aboard, was hiding the 10cm step between the forward deck, & the rear disk, all I had to do was measure from the top down instead of from the bottom up, & it solved the problem I am at the stage where I am fitting the Ramin quadrant around the windows so that it doesn't rot from the end grain down like last time, I don't know whether to apply Barrentine (like clear Cuprinol only MUCH cheaper) first to seal the wood, or fit the quadrant first (with Stixall & panel pins) then apply Barrentine, I am not sure if Stixall will take on top of wood preserver, I must search for that answer. I'm afraid I have overspent the budget for the job, I didn't realise that materials have increased so much since I retired eg the last time I bought box of 1000 beech biscuits they cost £12.99 + VAT now they cost £42 PVA glue is still reasonable, but stainless screws should now be gold plated for their price! I have also had to buy some new blades for some of my existing tools the biscuit jointer for example the solder holding the carbide tips in had deteriorated & a couple fell out resulting in me burning the slot rather than cutting it, & my jigsaw was much the same burning its way through the timber anywhere except on my pencil line! Hopefully everything is now working properly & all I need to buy now is wood primer, undercoat, & gloss, we are going back to default brilliant white gloss although I may keep the roof bright orange as that is much more noticeable from a helicopter than white! If anybody fancies giving me a hand with the wood preserver, primer, undercoat, gloss, then speak up now before I do it all myself
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Post by pilgrim17 on Feb 12, 2018 14:56:52 GMT 1
Been a while since I last wrote on here, so I thought I would report progress on the new wheelhouse, well I am staggering from one stage to another having lost the "second nature" of carpentry since I retired 12 years ago, I now have to "measure five times cut once" instead of "measure twice cut once", & nothing seems to come naturally any more? For example I made a template of the starboard side sliding window, taking great care to get it as close as possible, only to turn the template around the wrong way when I cut the planks, so that it sloped left to right, instead of right to left, to make things even worse the commodore had given me a lift to the workshop where I was "just going to make sure its a good fit when we erect the new wheelhouse". He reckons he has never heard so many different swear words from one person even though he is an ex matelot! It wasn't that the correction took any amount of timber, it was just the amount of time, & the annoyance of doing something that stupid, in the past I would have marked the template "inside" or "outside" "top" & "bottom" hence the lack of second nature. I even had to fumble to change the planer, to thicknesser mode the other day something I used to do in seconds when I was working, at this rate Noah will have been quicker building the ark! The cost is ratcheting up too, biscuits for jointing used to be pennies, but thanks to Norm Abrahan & "New Yankee Workshop" they are now £40 per 1000 as opposed to £12 12 years ago. PVA glue is £10 + p&p per 5 litres on the internet, & Barrantine (similar to Cuprinol but cheaper) is also £37 per 5 litres, Sikaflex to seal the quadrant around the windows must be manufactured by Christian Dior according to the price of it I have also had to replace some of my personal power tools which have deteriorated over the years & no longer function, biscuit jointer, jigsaw, crosscut saw were all beautifully rusted in the steel locker I stored them in 12 years ago I am getting there quietly, & I just hope that when its finished it will meet my expectations, & the little modifications I am making make the fishing a bit easier with rod storage etc. Really what I need is the Spring to arrive early, because the journey from Gendros to Cilonnen & back in the rain & wind is a pain on my old bones, the high point of my week is a few pints on Thursday evening, listening to everybody else moaning Hopefully there will be a few more trips before the whiting vanish & the bream arrive.
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Post by pilgrim17 on Jan 27, 2018 18:01:31 GMT 1
Managed to do a little bit more this morning by putting noggins on 4 "glued together" boards I could use a small clamp to hold the 8 boards together which is a good proportion of the starboard side. The owner has claimed the biscuit jointer back for a couple of days so I will have carry on cutting & planing boards for the port side (if the weather is dry enough to use my scooter) my wife is back off holiday, & will now claim her car back so I will be back on "Black Bess" to go back & fore to Cilonnen Tuesday is a fishing day anyway, the forecast is good & even if we sit off Mumbles Pier its better than sitting in the house, I went to Tesco this afternoon to see if they had any sprats but no luck I did buy the last 3 sardines they had & I bought a mackerel (what vintage it is I hate to think) it is navy blue on top & grey underneath instead of been green & silver, never mind lets hope the whiting aren't that fussy So hopefully the weather will be dry & fine later on in the week, so I can finish the starboard side & make a start on the port side. This wont take so much timber because it is only built from the gunwhale up, & a lot of it is window, as is the front panel, & the back of the wheelhouse has the door in it so I should have plenty of timber, if not I will commandeer from Colin Owen I am concerned that the biscuits & glue & stainless screws will increase the estimated costs, but it should still come in under £300 which is about 20% of the lowest estimate from outside (which was going to be another fibreglass on ply potential "Weetabix" ) it will be able to be painted every year or so, like your garden shed I don't really care because it will outlast me, & whatever is said about it once I am buried I wont worry about honest
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